Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

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Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by stevmale » Fri May 22, 2015 12:03 pm

Hello .
I am renovating a Se5 gearbox . The only problem is a over loose selector and the usual oil leaks.

My original intention was to replace this unit with a type 5 Ford gearbox from another scimitar I own.

But the option of a selector mechanism overhaul and oil replacement appeals to me.

Are the spares available for this gearbox or is it a week end on the lathe !!

And whas the opinion of these gearboxs.
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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by scimjim » Fri May 22, 2015 12:27 pm

Excellent box IMO - I made up rose jointed rods for 8 ball.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by stevmale » Fri May 22, 2015 1:41 pm

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I have found this picture on the on the web.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by scimjim » Fri May 22, 2015 2:14 pm

Yes, here's mine

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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by Taggers » Fri May 22, 2015 2:26 pm

I used little ball joints and clevis joints. M10 stainless threaded bar is good, because once you get it bent, it stays bent.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by stevmale » Fri May 22, 2015 5:53 pm

Are they known as a Dagenham box.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by scimjim » Fri May 22, 2015 6:02 pm

it might be but I've never heard it called that. AFAIK it's a 2604E with an LH overdrive.

Edit - Google suggests not, the "Dagenham box" is a 4 speed from a Mustang?

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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by Stephenl » Fri May 22, 2015 6:31 pm

I have the same gearbox/o/d combination. These are fitted to some coupes and early SE5's. The switch for the O/D (to ensure it works in 3 and 4 only) and the reversing light is on top at the front. They have the L/H O/D not the J. I have a bunch of pictures at home I can post, they are already on here somewhere though.

Later cars have the box with the rods entering the gearbox at the side, that's the one don Kennedy rose jointed and was excellently written up on a webpage.

To make your selection snappier you can rose joint those 2 rods. I used a hollow rod and a rose joint with a male thread. I tapped out the inside of the rods and bent them appropriately to clear the gearbox and OD/ There is also meant to be a nylon bush inside the little square at the base of the gear lever; that's a make it yourself kind of thing i suspect. I didn't know that was meant to be there so missed my chance.

O/D is pretty easy to rebuild, in so much as parts and skilled vendors are available. I got mine done. The gearbox I also had rebuilt, I got it stripped down, I got a shopping list and luckily I was able to get all the parts I needed.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by Stephenl » Fri May 22, 2015 6:36 pm

http://www.scimitarweb.co.uk/sgwrs/view ... 5&start=45

This thread might help,. I can't see it for some reason.


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Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by scimjim » Fri May 22, 2015 6:41 pm

Later box is a type Z (a type 5 body with different extension housing) with J type overdrive. 4 speeder is a type 5.

You can't view that thread because it's archived in the members section Stephen.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by windy » Fri May 22, 2015 7:42 pm

Jim, that Dagenham gearbox image above is a little misleading, they usually have side levers & different tailshaft housing fitted, so they look a lot like "our" 3 side lever gearboxes , albeit with a lever missing.

Not sure if they were available with O/D though.

http://www.bearingkits.co.uk/FORD-GEARB ... 58-1-0.htm



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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by scimjim » Fri May 22, 2015 7:44 pm

More like the later Z type then.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by stevmale » Sat May 23, 2015 10:15 am

Hello.
Does anybody know if you can remove the gear box and leave the bell housing in position.
It looks possibly!!!.


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by philhoward » Sat May 23, 2015 10:17 am

With an SE5, yes. Gear-lever needs to come off first I think (big bolt and don't forget the tiny lock-bolt), and a good wiggle?


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Re: Se5 Gear Selector Mechanism

Post by Stephenl » Sat May 23, 2015 4:02 pm

Yep I did it, several times. Forgot the gear lever too, so that's a good tip! Put a trolley jack under it and slide back, or you are good at bench presses...?

and here is my rose jointed gearbox; a work of art!

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