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Scimitar MOT's 2007

Post by JoeySully » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:19 pm

Results for scimitar pass/fail rates for the MOT in 2007
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8456116.stm

see attached Excel
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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:41 pm

That's very interesting. I read the BBC report, but got the impression that their info only related to cars first used from 2004, so I hadn't bothered to download the spreadsheet - I'm glad you did! :D

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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:47 pm

Further, That presumably implies that there were just 1221 road legal Scimitars (and Sabres) of all models in 2007.......

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Post by Burtle » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:49 pm

So according to that Scimitars are most likely to fail on lights and signalling, closely followed by brakes. Sounds about right. :D

But we do a lot better than any of the Lancia's.


If you want a good MOT passer buy a 2004 Rolls Royce Phantom, only a 1.7% fail rate, and that was on tyres. Best on the list, though for the money you'd expect that really.

What an interesting list, cheers for sharing.


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Post by petesilcock » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:52 pm

I must admit with the firms vans we check the lights work then put in for a Mot to see what is wrong - bad I know -

however with the Scim it gets checked much more and does less miles generally getting to the test station to find a light not working - much hitting of the offending light then ensues

How is it that driving to a Mot corrodes Lucas fittings more than any other trip?

This year I was a fail stat. One number plate light and I forgot to lean off the ECU Map at tickover for the emissions

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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:28 pm

Roger Pennington wrote:Further, That presumably implies that there were just 1221 road legal Scimitars (and Sabres) of all models in 2007.......
Actually, having looked at it a bit further and followed the links from the BBC pages to the official VOSA release data, I think a bit more caution is needed (as often seems to be the case with figures from VOSA/DVLA :( ). For example, checkout the figures for Triumphs :lol: Also it's not clear whether the figure for "passes" should be read as "total passes", which is how I'd interpreted it above, or "initial passes" which is actually the phrase used by VOSA (does this mean it's only cars which pass first time?), in which case it may not include subsequent successful passes for some of the cars which fail. So the on-road total may be more like the sum of the two figures.

So they may have created more fog than anything...... :(

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Post by scimjim » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:55 pm

This is the interesting part of the table
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Post by Elizabeth's dad » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:07 pm

On this basis my Scimitar is a better car than my BMW.


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Post by demonbluedays » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:08 pm

hang on....two 96 (sabres?) cars 1 pass one fail yet two fails for some things?

now a pass is a pass and a fail is well...a fail... but if one car PASSED (unless it was a retest) how can they both fail?


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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:09 pm

Interesting yes, accurate?...........

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Post by andrewcollins » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:19 pm

Yes very interesting - but I'm not convinced about accurate.

Where are the Sabres (early) and the 1965 Coupes ? not to mention the Reliant Foxes - maybe Duncan was driving around with not MOT :wink:

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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:26 pm

Yes I agree Andrew, actually Jim's JPEG misses out the asterisk and note against 1971 which says that "kit cars and rebuilds" are lumped into the 1971 figure - It's conceivable that they might have ended up in there. certainly there's a large "spike" in numbers for '71 which looks odd, even allowing for the fact that it was perhaps the year that the GTE took off. Hmmm. :? Anyone out there with a Scimitar kit? :lol:

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Post by scimjim » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:38 pm

it's electronically stored data, so it's always difficult to review unless you were the person collecting and analysing it.

I suspect that the reason for a number in columns F to P being larger than that in column D is the way the certificate is printed. If a car fails on two codes relating to brakes (unequal reading and innefective handbrake for example), it's recorded in column G.

There is no line for Foxes (if you read the small print somewhere, I think I saw a line that said the data is only collected for vehicles with a production run of over 1500) - I didn't put Robin, Rialto or Kittens on.

The asterisk against 1971 appears against any model with cars first used in 1971 but obviously isn't applicable to Scimitars - unless anyone declared a rebuilt car, which is unlikely as you then have to provide evidence to retain your registration.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:55 pm

So do you *really* believe there is such a large difference in the number of Scimitars around which were first used in '71 compared with '72? I would need more convincing. I wonder if the "kit or rebuild" category gets used as a "bucket" for anything which the computer is unwilling to accept?
(I think that perhaps the asterisk may always appear against '71 as they feel it's always relevant?).

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Post by scimjim » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:03 pm

I am more surprised about the low number in 1972 than a slightly higher than expected number in 1971 - given that there were over 1000 SE5s produced in 1970/71 - coupled with the free road tax.


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