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Post by scimmy_man » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:11 pm

its number 18 built jan 1980, registered early 1981

its 40 years old now,
is it exempt now, in april or next year??


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Post by scimjim » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:16 pm

MOT exempt now, tax exempt April 2022 if the V5 says date of first registration after 7 Jan 1981.


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Post by scimmy_man » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:37 pm

thanks
I find it hard to believe that reliant built 200 or so in january 1980 for the launch, but we cant ask them.


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Post by scimjim » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:13 pm

scimmy_man wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:37 pm
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I find it hard to believe that reliant built 200 or so in january 1980 for the launch, but we cant ask them.
They didn’t. They built around 70 per month January to May.

Then a few every few months for the next 6 years :D


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Post by speedy555 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:16 pm

Mines number 7, but registered late 81. Also says built late 81 on the v5c but obviously a work of fiction.


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Post by guybetts » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:04 pm

As Jim has already answered, tax exemption will depend on when your GTC was registered, not unfortunately for a large number of us GTC owners, when it was manufactured - which as we all know, is coded in the VIN.

Of the 340 built in 1980, quite a few weren't registered until well into 1981, and some even into 1982.

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Post by TrevorG » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:05 am

Guy, I think what Jim has said is right, but not as you said, when a vehicle is first registered.
Applying for tax exemption is (at present) based on a forty year rolling qualification from the end of december. This comes into play after the dvla update their website early in April each year. Now, if you cannot prove the build month of your vehicle from factory records etc. then date of first registration is used (this also allows cars registered in the first week of the next year to be exempted). Also, as Jim stated, you can claim mot exemption immediately on the fortieth birthday of the vehicle or it's reg. date (as explained for road tax).
Taking my car as an example.....it was built in Nov 79 but only sold in Aug 80. Now, reliant putting build dates in their chassis numbers and also having a dealer letter explaining this is proof enough for the dvla. So, my car is now mot exempt, but will only be able for tax exemption in early april when the dvla website is updated. If, there was no way to prove build date, I would have to wait another year.
Apologies for being long winded.....it is all explained on the dvla website under historic classification.
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Post by scimjim » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:05 am

Trevor, that used to be the case but I believe that DVLA have stopped changing the date of manufacture on the V5 if it’s wrong (as it is in nearly all cases as actually it’s date of first registration). Several threads on here, the most recent one here i think.


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Post by TrevorG » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:17 am

Jim, I'll let you know what happens in April when I apply for mine. I will reiterate that it is important to have written proof of the date of construction of the vehicle and as you rightly said, make sure that the v5 document is corrected to this prior to exemption claim. My only concern at present, like a lot of historic vehicle owners, is what really are their plans now the speeded up advancing of the ban on new petrol/diesel cars?



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Post by colinf » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:04 am

Sorry if i am being a bit (?) dense, i have just bought GTC No. 35 with a VIN code AA which i am told is January 80. It was MOT'ed in February - which i understand was unnecessary. It shows on the Tax check web page (awaiting new V5) as being first registered in August 1980 would i be correct in understanding it will not become tax exempt this April but April 2021.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:00 pm

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Trevor, that used to be the case but I believe that DVLA have stopped changing the date of manufacture on the V5 if it’s wrong (as it is in nearly all cases as actually it’s date of first registration). Several threads on here, the most recent one here i think.
Yes, that's what I found with mine, particularly in the case of the Yellow Peril. This was built (as shown in the VIN) in October 1978, but was first registered in March 79, and being declared as "new", 1979 was put as the build year on the V5. I spoke to DVLA about it and they said they would be happy to change the manufacture date on the V5, provided I could confirm the real date to an accuracy of the day. Obviously I can't, so the build date remains as 1979 as far as DVLA are concerned, so I expect that both it and the mulberry car (which is really a '79 build car) should become tax-exempt from this April.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:15 pm

colinf wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:04 am
Sorry if i am being a bit (?) dense, i have just bought GTC No. 35 with a VIN code AA which i am told is January 80. It was MOT'ed in February - which i understand was unnecessary. It shows on the Tax check web page (awaiting new V5) as being first registered in August 1980 would i be correct in understanding it will not become tax exempt this April but April 2021.
That would be my understanding. i.e. tax exemption in April 2020 applies to cars *built up to December 1979*, with a tolerance that they assume that cars *registered* in the first week of Jan 1980 were probably built in 79 also. So with a VIN code in 1980, yours is definitely going to be an April 2021 exemption date, I'm afraid.


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Post by guybetts » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:13 pm

TrevorG wrote:
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Taking my car as an example.....it was built in Nov 79 but only sold in Aug 80. Now, reliant putting build dates in their chassis numbers and also having a dealer letter explaining this is proof enough for the dvla. So, my car is now mot exempt, but will only be able for tax exemption in early april when the dvla website is updated. If, there was no way to prove build date, I would have to wait another year.
Trevor, I assume your car isn't a GTC as the only one registered in '79 is the prototype?

I'm curious how a dealer can provide a letter explaining this is proof enough, as my understanding of the underlying issue with our cars is because the factory records no longer exist, either with a motor vehicle heritage organization or us, as an official club. Therefore the dvla argument is that date of first registration is the only evidence they have - their own.

This is a topic I'm expecting quite a bit of correspondence on this year, given the high number of expectant GTC owners :wink: , so really would like to be aware of all avenues available to challenge the current status.

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Post by TrevorG » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:56 pm

Hi Guy, no my car is an e, but it doesn't matter the car, we are basically talking 40 year old scimitars and the dvla historic status. The letter is not a dealer provided one, it is the factory letter to dealers explaining the dating system on the chassis numbers. I haven't copied it in as I didn't know whether it has club ownership....perhaps a club official can let me know if it is alright to put here?



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Post by scimjim » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:17 pm

It’s in the front of the workshop manual, service bulletin 1979/7 and possibly a general letter. The point is, DVLA stopped accepting the Club contacts (V765/1) evidence to change date of manufacture on the V5C. They also started insisting on copies of glass’s guides to prove dates where age related plates were applied for.
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