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Post by tanuki » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:18 am

A friend of mine developed a passion for 2-stroke engined cars :roll: :lol:
While there is a wide variety of german and japanese cars using such engines,
there seem to be very few english cars of this type, am I correct ?
I thought I'd ask to the "knowledge people" around here :mrgreen:
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Post by b.c.flat hat » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:32 am

Bond, James Bond. Well Villiers?



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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:22 am

Don't forget the Saab..

In general though, any UK cars using a 2 stroke would have been Microcars, and from back in the 50's and 60's. I can't think of anything "mainstream" since then though.


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Post by Old and Slow » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:02 am

Yes, and the Berkleys, all using the villiers engine if I Recall, 197 or 250.


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Post by chrisgallacher » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:09 am

Old and Slow wrote:
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Yes, and the Berkleys, all using the villiers engine if I Recall, 197 or 250.
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Post by scimjim » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:09 pm

Did Ford UK trial 2 stroke Fiestas a while back?


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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:19 pm

There was mention of it - the Ford Orbital engine back in the mid 90's based on a quick google.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:16 pm

Although not strictly a car, if he's into British two-strokes then his collection really ought to include a Commer TS3 powered truck. :) This was a rather mad 3-cylinder, 6-piston, 2-stroke, supercharged, diesel. A notable user is the Ecurie Ecosse transporter. :D


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Post by drcdb15 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:18 pm

Old and Slow wrote:
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Yes, and the Berkleys, all using the villiers engine if I Recall, 197 or 250.
I suggest these don't really count, though, do they? Reason being, these engines were developed for motorcycles, and then used by Lawrie Bond because they just happened to be available at a weight and price that suited him. They were never really 'car' engines, and indeed their being underpowered for the Bond application was one reason why the specified engine on the Bonds was always being upgraded - cf the Austin car-based 4-cylinder water-cooled 4-stroke unit that was adopted by Reliant and pretty much unchanged right up until the nineties.

By contrast, the 2-stroke engines used in Saabs, Trabants, Skoda and the like were always designed from the outset as car engines (afaik). So whilst there *were* [micro]cars that used 2-stroke motorcycle engines, I can't think of any 'proper' "2-stroke English cars".


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Post by halfpenny » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:33 pm

The 1920's Trojan was a four cylinder two stroke - 'can you afford to walk' was their slogan



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Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:01 pm

halfpenny wrote:
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The 1920's Trojan was a four cylinder two stroke - 'can you afford to walk' was their slogan
Ah yes, I'd forgotten the Trojan! I should have remembered, as there's one around here which turns up from time to time at local shows. Here are some photos I took of it a few years ago - its engine and transmission is a bit of an oddball too, as can be seen from the pistons/conrods :shock:

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Post by halfpenny » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:15 pm

Only 7 moving parts if I remember correctly, and con rods that are designed to bend elastically



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Post by 747PETE » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:12 pm

I am sure my sister and her boyfriend at the time had a Berkeley T60...you could almost smell it coming😀



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Post by chrisgallacher » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:24 pm

I sold my 1957 Berkeley - an SE328, the four-wheeled version - in 2010 and put a 20s clip of it starting and moving on YouTube as part of the eBay ad. I never bothered to take the vid down so it's still there. It's now had 2.3m views and counting :shock:
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Post by drcdb15 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:22 pm

2,300,001 now. And I think that rather makes my point about motorcycle engines, sounds like a Lambretta in full song !! :D


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