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Post by peter freeman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:33 pm

Move to the countryside then or up north where the people are not so stupid.



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Post by philhoward » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:02 pm

peter freeman wrote:
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Move to the countryside then or up north where the people are not so stupid.
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Hardly helpful, Peter. I doubt you’d like it if someone made a slant against the North East? Maybe read things through before you hit the submit button next time.


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Post by peter freeman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:12 pm

Slants against the NE are common - we are used to them.



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Post by scimjim » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:57 pm

Nottingham, Brighton, Norwich & Oxford already have LEZ - only a matter of time before every major city follows suit (and maybe Newcastle :D ).


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Post by peter freeman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:04 pm

No point in doing it in Newcastle as everyone knows the coal mine pollution is so bad that it would make no difference. There is a motorway through Newcastle though - the central motorway - got to be almost a mile long. No motorway in Northumberland - the road to Edinburgh ( the Scottish Capital ) is known locally as the Northumberland farm track.



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Post by scimjim » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:14 pm

Are there are any coal mines in the city centre? :D


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Post by peter freeman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:33 pm

Full of them - pit heaps all over the place - not many cars apart from taxis. 80 pubs in the centre square mile though so by the end of the night people don't care.



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Post by Ian Lock » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:59 am

Hi pardon me for not understanding this at the moment but slagging off all these cities where people live is missing the point. I don't live in any of the above mentioned
cities but what are the emission figures they are talking about ?

My GTE se6a 1981 passed it's MOT last month with figures of CO 0.08% ( max is 4.5% ) & HC 275 ppm ( max is 1200ppm ) so does that mean I will be banned from all cities then ?

Just a point if you didn't register it with Historic Status and just payed the road tax could you get around this problem ?

Final point I wonder what people like Nick Mason, Chis evans, James Martin, and last Prince Charles are going to do with all there very expensive priceless classics ?

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Post by philhoward » Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:16 am

Not banned - just have to pay.
CO and HC figures are only part of the compliance to the relevant Euro standard. Don’t forget that it doesn’t matter what the readout was of your car at the last MoT - it’s what the car was approved to be able to achieve.


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Post by peter freeman » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:04 am

I don't know anyone who drives into Newcastle now. Because the car parking fees are so high its cheaper to go by bus - especially if like me the bus is free. No wonder the city centres are dying through lack of people buying at the shops.



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Post by scimjim » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:13 am

Ian Lock wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:59 am
...what are the emission figures they are talking about ?
Nothing pre 2000 will pass, generally post 2005 for petrol and 2016 for diesel

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra- ... -with-ulez
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Just a point if you didn't register it with Historic Status and just payed the road tax could you get around this problem ?
Quite the opposite - as stated in the first post, cars in the historic class VED are exempt from the charge.
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Final point I wonder what people like Nick Mason, Chis evans, James Martin, and last Prince Charles are going to do with all there very expensive priceless classics ?
They store them in hangars (generally in the Cotswolds) and can afford the charges if they want to use one inside the ULEZ.


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Post by Ford » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:17 pm

scimjim wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:13 am
Ian Lock wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:59 am
Final point I wonder what people like Nick Mason, Chis evans, James Martin, and last Prince Charles are going to do with all there very expensive priceless classics ?
They store them in hangars (generally in the Cotswolds) and can afford the charges if they want to use one inside the ULEZ.
That's what frustrates me about things like this, it has no effect on the people with money to burn


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Post by roymck » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:58 pm

It’s a minefield , I had until a couple of years ago a 2003 TD5 Discovery AC03 GUE a new personal import that I bought back from Kuwait . It had no EGR fitted and didn’t comply with UK emmision regulations although it would breeze through the MOT diesel smoke test no problem . As they weren’t able to tax it on the emissions it was taxed as if it was a pre 2001 on a cheaper rate . Had a look on the ULEZ checker and it’s exempt and a new in UK 2003 Disco is not . So it looks like imports from outside the EU are not flagged up on the system as the V5 does not state the emmisions.
Similar thing import a new Mustang from the states the road tax is cheaper than a new Mustang sold in UK.
As I said its a minefield



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Post by Alan SS1 » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:58 pm

scimjim wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:13 am
Ian Lock wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:59 am
...what are the emission figures they are talking about ?
Nothing pre 2000 will pass,
well that's me stuffed then on changing car plan . . .. .

the 'daily driver' for SWAMBO is Volvo 480 and I'm dithering over ditching the C30 to get another 480 instead, C30 is a fine enough car but 'soul-less' cf the 480 / SS1

given the state of the local buses .(some are W & Y plate) I'm at a loss to see how they are 'kinder' than the few miles we do :(

I guess that the majority of folk treat a car as the would 'white goods' / 'electronics', ie five (or three year) life expectancy :w


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Post by Loxford » Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:04 am

But the London zone is only the start. It will go global.



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