rebel alliance wrote: ↑
Thu May 24, 2018 4:43 am
Right, i posted on this thread in an effort to try and help you Mark, in view of your comments thats the last time i will ever waste my time on this forum offering what i assumed was some assistance....regards Rebel Alliance
I hope you don't really mean that, Rebel Alliance ? Your contributions are many and valued, and it would be a shame for them to cease.
I can well understand Mark's frustration, and Phil is right to call for all to take a deep breath and count to ten - but I have to say coming to this thread late in the day and reading the posts more objectively it has given me a smile to watch you all getting more and more steamed up about it.
Of course that's easy for me to say as I'm not caught up in this mess just now, but it's a serious issue - folks wanting to do something with their cars - get them on the road, sell them, even just drive them - need to know where they stand. And the fact of the matter is that the present situation is, as I said, a complete and utter mess.
MoT testers will differ hugely in their understanding and interpretion of the rules, Post Office staff ditto, and as for the poor folks at DVLA, I feel really sorry for them. The fact is the whole change in legislation hasn't been thought through properly (now there's a surprise) and inevitably it will produce incompatibilities due to the different age/time limits, the differing laws in the UK vs EU and the myriad variations in the vehicles to which the law is supposed to apply. If you place all the new rules and regulations side by side, you will easily find that it is not physically possible to comply with them all - complying with one will inevitably necessitate failure to comply with another.
This situation arises time and time again whenever there is some new legislation brought in. It's bound to. As an earlier poster commented, the vast majority of the people involved in drafting the legislation have no idea of the practicalities on the ground (and this applies by definition to *any* new legislation - very few people are expert in any one area, whether that area be motoring or data protection or child care or anything else).
An inevitable consequence of this is that the answer to any question you care to ask (eg do I need to insure my car?) will be as different as the people you ask. As you all seem to have discovered! QED.
So the best thing any of us can do regarding getting VHI or tax exemption or whatever is to follow the KISS principle. Do one car at a time. Talk to one authority at a time. Get it in writing so you can show the letter to the next person who has a different view. And manage your expectations: don't expect people in authority to know what they're doing - they won't. Don't expect the same answer tomorrow as you got yesterday - things will have changed. Don't expect what applied to one car will apply to an apparently identical other car - it won't. Don't expect any sort of consistency. And above all don't get mad at people, and try to argue with them - they're as pissed off with the shambles as you are, and *they* have to come into work tomorrow and face it all over again with another angry customer. And the next day. And the day after that...
A very close relative worked in HMRC all his adult life. When computerisation came in, about 25 years ago, he says they would get some sort of update instructions about once a month, on detailed rules changes and how tax treatments were to be modified etc. By the time he retired, about 5 years ago, those updates of changes were being issued at the rate of one or two per DAY. So if a changed rule affected you, you'd get a different answer in the afternoon from what you'd been told in the morning...
I've seen at first hand the inner workings of the civil service, and it's a sobering experience, but it does help one understand and appreciate what their front line staff are up against on a daily basis. Don't be too hard on them