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Post by Ian Lock » Thu May 24, 2018 8:00 am

I agree with " Rebel Alliance " the language coming from "gtcse8 " is well out of order I know we are all grown up on here but I got lots of stick for some of the things I said
which wasn't half as bad. I am very reluctant to put my views on here any more because of it , but other members seem to get away with anything .But felt I had to say something about this.

If people have problems with Tax And MOT of there car it's for them to sort out , and go to the DVLA and so on.

Now I have said my piece I will go back under my stone .



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Post by willholderogri » Thu May 24, 2018 8:01 am

if it helps my friend taxed his triumph tiger TR6 on line Mot ran out a year ago but it was insured


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Post by philhoward » Thu May 24, 2018 8:15 am

Gentlemen,

Before this thread turns into a full-on slanging match, locked and lost as a valid discussion point, can we leave the Off Topic feelings out of this? There are those who don't do Facebook the same as there are those who don't do the forum - neither should be ostracised or criticised for their choice.
gtcse8 - I can tell your frustration at an apparent lack of clarity of the proper way on how to do this based on official documentation but given the source (gov.uk) it's not exactly surprising. Your language (and blatantly trying to avoid a direct word filter which we don't have - there is an assumption that those who participate on here are above that sort of behaviour :wink: ) isn't the sort of behaviour we would expect on here. Please refrain from doing so. If you wish to swear and curse, please shout at the cat/dog/budgie/wall instead, walk away from the keyboard and have a cuppa.

Admin hat now put back on the shelf..

Back to the original question:

For a car to be "taxed", it's simple - it should be Insured and either hold a valid MoT certificate OR have been declared MoT exempt as a VHI. VHI declaration can only be done (as I understand it) when applying for "tax" which will either be at the renewal, or if you declare SORN, then re-apply for "tax" which I believe it possible the next day for a Historic Vehicle.

I'm happy to clarify the above statement if any of the above is actually incorrect - ignoring instances where a Post Office employee hasn't done it by the book.


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Post by peter freeman » Thu May 24, 2018 11:53 am

Just had our Sabre through the MOT and sorry to say the rules have changed again this month. Not sure which rules affect our cars as I did not have time to go through them all with my MOT man but for example - reversing lights now checked for cars post 2009, under bonnet sound proofing must be fitted if fitted originally, exhaust heat shields must be fitted if fitted originally ( MOT man says that is going to annoy a lot of people as the garage used to just rip them off if rusty ) After market HIDs are now a MOT failure - don't know the time dates on this one, all in all a nightmare he says. He thinks the MOT rules were just copied from the German rules and the translation is not good.



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Post by gtcse8 » Thu May 24, 2018 12:26 pm

rebel alliance wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 4:43 am
Right, i posted on this thread in an effort to try and help you Mark, in view of your comments thats the last time i will ever waste my time on this forum offering what i assumed was some assistance....regards Rebel Alliance
Your decision.
After looking at MY posts I don`t know what I wrote to upset you?.
ALL I wanted to find out was how other folk had managed to get HVI and Tax exemption without being insured.

We are all entitled to our own views, and as I have not personally slandered you I fail to see why your upset, have I called you a naughty name?
And I don`t know if you were having a "Dig either will.
Ian please explain why your annoyed at me and just what nasty comment did I make.
And I HAVE been to the DVLA and the Road tax office without any luck.


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Post by upstart8s » Thu May 24, 2018 12:43 pm

Come on chaps, why not use PMs and sort your problems out privately? We all enjoy the easy-going style of the Forum but nobody benefits from conflict. Regrettably, I can add nothing to the debate because I don't currently own a VHI.

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Post by drcdb15 » Thu May 24, 2018 1:01 pm

rebel alliance wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 4:43 am
Right, i posted on this thread in an effort to try and help you Mark, in view of your comments thats the last time i will ever waste my time on this forum offering what i assumed was some assistance....regards Rebel Alliance
I hope you don't really mean that, Rebel Alliance ? Your contributions are many and valued, and it would be a shame for them to cease.

I can well understand Mark's frustration, and Phil is right to call for all to take a deep breath and count to ten - but I have to say coming to this thread late in the day and reading the posts more objectively it has given me a smile to watch you all getting more and more steamed up about it.

Of course that's easy for me to say as I'm not caught up in this mess just now, but it's a serious issue - folks wanting to do something with their cars - get them on the road, sell them, even just drive them - need to know where they stand. And the fact of the matter is that the present situation is, as I said, a complete and utter mess.

MoT testers will differ hugely in their understanding and interpretion of the rules, Post Office staff ditto, and as for the poor folks at DVLA, I feel really sorry for them. The fact is the whole change in legislation hasn't been thought through properly (now there's a surprise) and inevitably it will produce incompatibilities due to the different age/time limits, the differing laws in the UK vs EU and the myriad variations in the vehicles to which the law is supposed to apply. If you place all the new rules and regulations side by side, you will easily find that it is not physically possible to comply with them all - complying with one will inevitably necessitate failure to comply with another.

This situation arises time and time again whenever there is some new legislation brought in. It's bound to. As an earlier poster commented, the vast majority of the people involved in drafting the legislation have no idea of the practicalities on the ground (and this applies by definition to *any* new legislation - very few people are expert in any one area, whether that area be motoring or data protection or child care or anything else).

An inevitable consequence of this is that the answer to any question you care to ask (eg do I need to insure my car?) will be as different as the people you ask. As you all seem to have discovered! QED.

So the best thing any of us can do regarding getting VHI or tax exemption or whatever is to follow the KISS principle. Do one car at a time. Talk to one authority at a time. Get it in writing so you can show the letter to the next person who has a different view. And manage your expectations: don't expect people in authority to know what they're doing - they won't. Don't expect the same answer tomorrow as you got yesterday - things will have changed. Don't expect what applied to one car will apply to an apparently identical other car - it won't. Don't expect any sort of consistency. And above all don't get mad at people, and try to argue with them - they're as pissed off with the shambles as you are, and *they* have to come into work tomorrow and face it all over again with another angry customer. And the next day. And the day after that...

A very close relative worked in HMRC all his adult life. When computerisation came in, about 25 years ago, he says they would get some sort of update instructions about once a month, on detailed rules changes and how tax treatments were to be modified etc. By the time he retired, about 5 years ago, those updates of changes were being issued at the rate of one or two per DAY. So if a changed rule affected you, you'd get a different answer in the afternoon from what you'd been told in the morning...

I've seen at first hand the inner workings of the civil service, and it's a sobering experience, but it does help one understand and appreciate what their front line staff are up against on a daily basis. Don't be too hard on them :wink:


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Post by Oxymoron » Thu May 24, 2018 1:31 pm

I renewed my car insurance online last Sunday evening and went to the Post Office to tax it for free and confirm it's MOT exemption on Monday morning.

The database was still showing that it was uninsured on Monday, but I got my car tax for free, no problem!...Just received my new logbook today, confirming HISTORIC status too!


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Post by Ian Lock » Thu May 24, 2018 2:12 pm

I to don't come on here very often now . I spend more time on the Lotus Forum ware I get treated better . As I said before Mr gtcse8 ( sorry but I don't know your name )
it wasn't what you was saying it was the colourful language you was using . I wasn't having a Dig at you .

Whilst I'm awake I pointed out a while ago to warn people on the subject of LED light bulbs could be a MOT failure although I wasn't 100% sure of my facts got shouted down , about fake news ect. Yes it was HID bulbs in the end but as I said I was only making people aware of changing headlight bulbs and to find out what can be fitted .

Also I have put back the insulation last month that was under the bonnet as it was manufactured with it in , and taken out before I got the car .

Got it MOT'd a couple of weeks ago failed on rear brake cylinders had them replaced and got the MOT now all fine .



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Post by BigBobPilot » Thu May 24, 2018 6:54 pm

My MOT ran out on the 22nd, so I tried to register VHI again today now it's expired, all easy no problems on the DVLA website as others have said. I think I failed before as it still had a current MOT. I have insurance, it was previously taxed to April 2019. Now VHI registered & still taxed until April 2019. All good.


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Post by ScimmyMike » Thu May 24, 2018 10:03 pm

Oxymoron wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 1:31 pm
The database was still showing that it was uninsured on Monday, but I got my car tax for free, no problem!...Just received my new logbook today, confirming HISTORIC status too!
The MID database we see is behind the one DVLA and plod see I'd suspect.
Mark, yes all my cars are taxed as there's little difference between on road and laid up cover especially when the doc fee is taken into account should I wish to change one to on road status.
Please see https://www.gov.uk/historic-vehicles/ap ... -exemption


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Post by willholderogri » Fri May 25, 2018 7:42 am

gtcse8 wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 12:26 pm
And I don`t know if you were having a "Dig either will.
No not you I don't think you belong to the Bristol branch ?
As a biker I take things jovially among friends. However the gent who insulted my car did not know me from Adam and if the boot had been on the other foot he probably would not have liked it.


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