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Post by peter freeman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:30 pm

They make their money up by failures getting repairs - and they know I do mine myself which is probably why I have not had a failure for years.



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Post by ScimmyMike » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:30 pm

Same for me Roger will continue to MOT until such time as a garage starts a local accredited MOT type inspection service becomes available, think that's the idea behind Fuzz Townshend's classic friendly scheme


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Post by Corky » Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Wow, I pay £50 for my MOTs. But I like to support our local garage, and the guys are all classic car friendly. I can get a half price MOT at a well known motorsport and tyre shop in the town, but they always manage to find a broken bulb or two that costs around £25 with the VAT..... spooky eh...

I still think it's a bad idea to exempt cars from MOTs. No amount of "other laws" will convince me otherwise. I've seen this in the H&S industry, where inspections from the "authority" have dwindled and instead it is up to the duty holder to navigate their way through a maze of legislation and guidance (fire safety in multi occupancy local authority housing is a good example).

It won't end well :(


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Post by derekoss » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:46 pm

An MOT is valid, in reality, for about five minutes. A pothole or bump can change the vehicle's safety status but it still has an MOT !

There will always be owners that take care and look after their stuff and numpties that don't care.

There are owners with a huge amount of expertise about the car and keep it safe. Others that are happy to farm that out. Room for both. In all walks of life.

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Post by Corky » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:15 pm

As is an inspection by an authority, but they do encourage peeps to get their house in order.


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Post by derekoss » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:07 pm

Never found many in authority with much more than a jobsworth attitude !! The older experience and skill are retiring leaving book and regulation readers !
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Post by Corky » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:34 pm

That’s the way it is I’m afraid Derek. Regulation is a mine field.


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Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:58 pm

New guidance has been issued here

Of particular interest is the changes from the 8 point rule that DVSA alluded to previously - for example they’ve dropped the bit about a replacement chassis being made only by the original manufacturer:

Chassis (replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered a substantial change) or Monocoque bodyshell including any sub-frames (replacements of the same pattern as the original are not considered a substantial change);


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Post by Datsundrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:26 pm

Jim, what makes you think the chassis replacement had to be the original manufacturer? I replaced my Land Rover chassis with a Richard’s chassis, as Landrover don’t do them, it’s common, and as long as it’s a new replacement of similar construction, it’s fine.



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Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:38 pm

It used to be OEM only Drew. Aftermarket chassis for Lotus and Land Rover etc have been available for years and no-one has questioned it. The regs now say:

Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer)

Which infers OEM still but is no longer explicit.


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Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:39 pm

And it’s not “similar construction” it has to be exactly the same (“unmodified”) - so coil sprung series are technically illegal and always have been.


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Post by Datsundrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:48 pm

Yes coils on a series is a big no no, I was told that a new replacement chacchis was just that, and not necessarily from the original manufacturer. I spoke to the dvla after I did mine,no probs as it was new and to original spec, so in reality they weren’t that bothered, in fact not at all.



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Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:01 pm

Yep, that’s been their stance for a while (in fact since SVA came out, as the “manufacturer” is the builder). Obviously not relevant to our cars though and my point was the change in documented policy between VHI and the radically altered vehicle 8 point rule.


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Post by Datsundrew » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:29 pm

Here it is.....original or new and not modified (from the manufacturer ). It doesn’t say original manufacturer though, just manufacturer, so a manufacturer remanufacturing a chassis, is ok the way I read it?
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Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:02 am

That’s what I quoted 4 posts up :D


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