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Post by GeoffTE » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:59 pm

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Geoff, as I understand it , your car is automatically MOT exempt at 40 yrs. If you go for a voluntary test, the garage will apply the same standards as they do now, but it won't be entered in the computer, they will just give you the report. It is your legal responsability to decide whether the car is roadworthy.
OK, I understand the legal responsibility , but I decided to get my Elan MoTd anyway even though it's exempt. The tester DID enter it on the DVLA site and it is recorded there as having an MoT. So , the question remains: if I choose not to get it MoTd next year it will be recorded as exempt, but the year after I choose to have an MoT again. Will it appear on the site as MoTd or not?


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:36 pm

Roger Pennington wrote:
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Recently DVLA stopped changing the year of manufacture field and insisted that the date of registration is now the qualifying date (they haven’t changed their terminology on INF pages though). So if it was registered before 7 Jan 1980 or you have the correct build date on the V5, it can be changed to Historic Class VED in April 2020, otherwise its April 2021. MOT exemption is simply the 40 year point (Aug 2019 or Jan 2020 depending upon the V5).
Jim, I may be confused and completely missing something ( :oops: ), but shouldn't there be some extra qualification in there? I thought that MOT exemption was also dependant on the vehicle being "Historic Class" (as well as self-declared VHI) so surely the date of MOT exemption can't be before April 2020 or 2021, depending on the V5 (as per your previous sentence?
nope - the two are not related. MOT exemption occurs at 40 years old whether historic class or not.


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Oldconn wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:16 am
Geoff, as I understand it , your car is automatically MOT exempt at 40 yrs. If you go for a voluntary test, the garage will apply the same standards as they do now, but it won't be entered in the computer, they will just give you the report. It is your legal responsability to decide whether the car is roadworthy.
this is incorrect too - if you ask for an MOT, you will get a normal MOT even if it's over 40.


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:38 pm

GeoffTE wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:59 pm
Oldconn wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:16 am
Geoff, as I understand it , your car is automatically MOT exempt at 40 yrs. If you go for a voluntary test, the garage will apply the same standards as they do now, but it won't be entered in the computer, they will just give you the report. It is your legal responsability to decide whether the car is roadworthy.
OK, I understand the legal responsibility , but I decided to get my Elan MoTd anyway even though it's exempt. The tester DID enter it on the DVLA site and it is recorded there as having an MoT. So , the question remains: if I choose not to get it MoTd next year it will be recorded as exempt, but the year after I choose to have an MoT again. Will it appear on the site as MoTd or not?
yes it will Geoff.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:16 pm

scimjim wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:36 pm
Roger Pennington wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:52 pm
scimjim wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:19 am
Recently DVLA stopped changing the year of manufacture field and insisted that the date of registration is now the qualifying date (they haven’t changed their terminology on INF pages though). So if it was registered before 7 Jan 1980 or you have the correct build date on the V5, it can be changed to Historic Class VED in April 2020, otherwise its April 2021. MOT exemption is simply the 40 year point (Aug 2019 or Jan 2020 depending upon the V5).
Jim, I may be confused and completely missing something ( :oops: ), but shouldn't there be some extra qualification in there? I thought that MOT exemption was also dependant on the vehicle being "Historic Class" (as well as self-declared VHI) so surely the date of MOT exemption can't be before April 2020 or 2021, depending on the V5 (as per your previous sentence?
nope - the two are not related. MOT exemption occurs at 40 years old whether historic class or not.
Interesting - in the case of the Yellow Peril, I'm one of the people who has been stuffed by the DVLA change WRT to "build date". The chassis number clearly shows it to be Oct '78 build, but it was first taxed in March '79, and it was declared new then, so the "build year" on the V5 is "1979". That presumably means I can't claim tax exemption until April 2020, but I'll be able to claim MOT exemption from when - Oct 2018 or March 2019?


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Post by turboscim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:20 pm

Regarding m o t, in the newsletter from my insurers there was a broad hint that in the event of a claim a valid m o t would be a VERY good thing.



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Post by Alan SS1 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:11 pm

turboscim wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:20 pm
Regarding m o t, in the newsletter from my insurers there was a broad hint that in the event of a claim a valid m o t would be a VERY good thing.
funny that (not really) as Insurance will ALWAYS look for an easy out (clause)


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Post by demonbluedays » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Ah the issue there is they can't pull that out their backside as they would have to keep up to date with any and all changes to motoring law, meaning you'd have to call them out for playing ignorant to something that's well known and also screamed from the rooftops by the DVLA


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Post by james couper » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:01 pm

If you took out the insurance before this year most insurance documents will state that you must have a MOT, therefore you are in breach of your insurance policy, therefore you have to get your insurance company to issue a new policy stating that an MOT is not required. Or they can easily say sorry no MOT no insurance. Changes to DVLA rules
does not change an insurance policy.



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Post by james couper » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:06 pm

Should have said when i enquired regarding do i need a MOT or not my insurance company just what does it say in your policy, my policy clearly states that a car must have a MOT, so if i decide not to MOT my car i will have to look for a new insurance company or get a new policy clearly stating that a car over 40 years does not need a MOT.



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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:29 pm

MOT exemption isn’t “DVLA rules”, it’s a change in the law which I reckon trumps the insurance company.

They can say “unroadworthy = no insurance” but I really can’t see them saying “no MOT on an exempt vehicle = no insurance”?


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:45 pm

And a new car doesn’t need an MOT until it’s 3 years old :D


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Post by rebel alliance » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:35 pm

Pre 1960 cars have been mot exempt for some time, no one i know with one has had any insurance company tell them they must get an mot ?



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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:50 pm

It's probably worth reflecting on the statistic that came up in the "Government Response to the Consultation" document. Pre-60 cars have already been MOT exempt for something like 5 years (I think). How many are being presented for voluntary MOTs? Six percent. Yes that's what it said, and I don't see evidence of an apocalypse :)


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Post by AntC » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:17 am

Forgetting the fact that I had to get an MOT on my 1958 S1 Land Rover because it had been fitted with a Rover V8 within the last 30 years, when I applied for insurance I was asked whether it had an MOT. I replied that it had and asked whether that was a condition of the policy and was told, "No, it's just for our records but it might be one day".

Personally I can't understand not getting one as it forms such a great piece of the car's history.


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