SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

PLEASE ONLY start a NEW topic if you have a specific part that hasn't got a topic already, and that you need and cannot get hold of through Club Traders. Make the topic name clear (Model and Part details). Anyone else also wanting that part should add a message to the topic.

Moderators: scimjim, philhoward, erikscimitardemon, Roger Pennington, Lukeyboy46

User avatar
reliant-reviver
RSSOC Member
Posts: 4390
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:05 pm
Location: Beighton, Sheffield
Has thanked: 49 times
Been thanked: 83 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by reliant-reviver » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:56 pm

There are no differences in the early 1600 and 1300 cooling system
I'd have to check if I have a set of late 1600 hoses spare...


Philip Andrew.
'84 SS1 1300, '86 SS1 1800ti, '87 SS1 1300
Previous: Too many!

User avatar
scimjim
RSSOC Member
Posts: 34297
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:08 pm
Location: Gloucester
Has thanked: 110 times
Been thanked: 708 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimjim » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:59 pm

nickkeyser wrote:Sounds good to me, I would be interested in a set for the racer - price depending.

If its any help, I have cars with both late and early SS1 1600 cooling systems sat side by side in the garage, so can do a direct comparison.

Any idea which is best, or are they both pretty much the same in performance?
they both work fine as far as I've seen.

I'd be up for a late set too


Jim King

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), Sabre/MX5 auto (The Flying Broomstick),
1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
CURE THE FAULT - NOT THE SYMPTOMS

User avatar
scmarf
RSSOC Member
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Lutterworth, Leicestershire
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:33 pm

reliant-reviver wrote:There are no differences in the early 1600 and 1300 cooling system

Except the carb?

Club discount: Always worth asking. Maybe ask for an 'introductory offer' to go with the Slice advertising feature. However, the manufacturing process is not automated so the suppliers dont save much in having an extra large batch size. Their main concern is covering the up-front cost of the jigs.

Hose clips (ends): I used Radio Spares stainless. Not cheap and only available in packets of 5 but good quality and with £300+ worth of new hoses, I wasn't too worried about saving a few pence on tacky hose clips. The suppliers can supply SS hose clips with the set if you prefer. I have no idea where they come from or how good they are. I just had the RS ones in stock so used them.

Hose clips (securing): I have currently 'cable tied' the expansion bottle-to-rad hose to the side rail where the original had P clips which are now too small. It doesn't look too bad as cable ties are used for the same pipe as it goes along the front top cross bar (although black would have been better :oops: ) but I would like to investigate a tidier solution gallery/image_page.php?album_id=132&image_id=629

I hope to tidy things up a bit this weekend. Unfortunately I dont get much time during the week.


Honda Jazz
1977 SE6a, 1985 1300 SS1
Worlds longest coupe restoration
Chief mechanic for offspring's fleet (SE5a, Bond Equipe, Ford Focus)

Henry Royce: "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten"

User avatar
nickkeyser
RSSOC Member
Posts: 2744
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:58 pm
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by nickkeyser » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:48 pm

Can the small bore hose from the heater tank to the top of the rad take that route without the bonnet hinge pinching it? Also, I assume you have cleared out inside the spigot on the header tank where that hose connects?

They look really good, very smart. Should last for years! Im interested in a part set (no heater or heated inlet manifold on the racer) but £300 scares me a little!


Image
"Simplfy, then add lightness" - Colin Chapman

User avatar
scmarf
RSSOC Member
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Lutterworth, Leicestershire
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:38 pm

The hose run is as-standard so I assume the hinge will not be a problem - though good point made - it is a bit thicker wall so needs checking. May just leave the bonnet off anyway to show off my hoses 8) . Wouldn't be too much hassle to leave that hose out of the set anyway as it seems fairly reliable, cheap and accessible and would avoid the hose clip issue mentioned above.

Expansion tank looked OK so didn't worry about the spout.

Dont think there would be a problem buying individual hoses. They are all hand made to order anyway but you have contact details above if you want to enquire.


Honda Jazz
1977 SE6a, 1985 1300 SS1
Worlds longest coupe restoration
Chief mechanic for offspring's fleet (SE5a, Bond Equipe, Ford Focus)

Henry Royce: "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten"

User avatar
scimjim
RSSOC Member
Posts: 34297
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:08 pm
Location: Gloucester
Has thanked: 110 times
Been thanked: 708 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimjim » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:41 pm

scmarf wrote:Expansion tank looked OK so didn't worry about the spout.
the small pipe has a steel insert which corrodes and eventually restricts the flow (you can't see it unless you look down the bore) - takes 2 seconds to run a drill down but it's a prime cause of overheating?


Jim King

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), Sabre/MX5 auto (The Flying Broomstick),
1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
CURE THE FAULT - NOT THE SYMPTOMS

User avatar
nickkeyser
RSSOC Member
Posts: 2744
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:58 pm
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by nickkeyser » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:32 pm

Cool, wasn't sure if it would go there as I'm sure mine took a different route.

Mine would spit about half of pint of water out after a run, turned out that although I had cleared the spout once there was some remaining metal insert/ crud clogging it up a bit.


Image
"Simplfy, then add lightness" - Colin Chapman

User avatar
philhoward
RSSOC Member
Posts: 23359
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:41 pm
Location: Staffs, UK
Has thanked: 37 times
Been thanked: 460 times
Contact:

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by philhoward » Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:01 am

nickkeyser wrote: Mine would spit about half of pint of water out after a run, turned out that although I had cleared the spout once there was some remaining metal insert/ crud clogging it up a bit.
Yup....thats what they do!

Gets embarrasing when you tell others about it then suffer the joy of it happening on someones rolling road... :oops:


Phil Howard
Scimitarweb Forum Admin
SS1 1600 Rooster Turbo; Sabre Mk1.5, Sabre Mk2
Previous: SE5/5a/SS1 No.1/SS1 Rooster/SS1 1800Ti/SE5a 24 Valve
http://www.ss1turbo.com
Never try and argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you based on experience.

User avatar
scmarf
RSSOC Member
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Lutterworth, Leicestershire
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:02 pm

Expansion tank looked OK so didn't worry about the spout.
Checked with Daniel. He assures me he cleared it with a nail.
wasn't sure if it would go there as I'm sure mine took a different route.
I contacted the supplier yesterday. He is going to do a 2 ply hose (instead of 3) for the rad bleed hose to see if it solves the hose clip and hinge problem.

Nick: Would be interested to know what the 'different route' is in case I still have a problem at the hinge with the new hose.

BTW: Had a pleasant weekend waxoyling the underside and painting the sills (green hammerite). Next job, front suspension rebuild.


Honda Jazz
1977 SE6a, 1985 1300 SS1
Worlds longest coupe restoration
Chief mechanic for offspring's fleet (SE5a, Bond Equipe, Ford Focus)

Henry Royce: "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten"

User avatar
scmarf
RSSOC Member
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun Jul 04, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Lutterworth, Leicestershire
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 15 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scmarf » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:30 am

The smaller 2 ply bleed hose has arrived and is now fitted. It has allowed me to revert to P clips to hold the hose at the side of the engine bay (though I had to make them up specially - may try and get a batch made for future sets) and gives about 1mm clearance to the hinge. Pictures here gallery/image_page.php?album_id=132&image_id=660. I now consider these hoses ready to market for the 1300 SS1.


Honda Jazz
1977 SE6a, 1985 1300 SS1
Worlds longest coupe restoration
Chief mechanic for offspring's fleet (SE5a, Bond Equipe, Ford Focus)

Henry Royce: "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten"

User avatar
nickkeyser
RSSOC Member
Posts: 2744
Joined: Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:58 pm
Has thanked: 17 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by nickkeyser » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:04 pm

Just sent an equiry to these guys about the two hoses from the metal link pipes to the radiator for mine, after the infamous kevlar reinforced hoses have started to crack and look rather unhealthy.


Image
"Simplfy, then add lightness" - Colin Chapman

wiggedy7
Posts: 306
Joined: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:05 pm
Location: United Kingdom
Contact:

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by wiggedy7 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:52 pm

Hi all. How did people get on with the silicon hoses? Im looking for some for my 1600. Does £330 including fittings (clips etc) sound reasonable or a bit steep? Never had to buy hoses before. Cheers, Guy



User avatar
scimjim
RSSOC Member
Posts: 34297
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:08 pm
Location: Gloucester
Has thanked: 110 times
Been thanked: 708 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by scimjim » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:03 pm

It could be done for about half the price but they wouldn't be shaped pipes, you'd have to buy preset pipes and use joiners (and additional clamps).


Jim King

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), Sabre/MX5 auto (The Flying Broomstick),
1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
CURE THE FAULT - NOT THE SYMPTOMS

User avatar
reliant-reviver
RSSOC Member
Posts: 4390
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:05 pm
Location: Beighton, Sheffield
Has thanked: 49 times
Been thanked: 83 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by reliant-reviver » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:43 pm

I'm going to be going for a set soon.
Life's too short for hose joiners and extra clamps!

I can investigate comissioning a batch if you ate serious?


Philip Andrew.
'84 SS1 1300, '86 SS1 1800ti, '87 SS1 1300
Previous: Too many!

User avatar
Marmaduke
RSSOC Member
Posts: 87
Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:16 pm
Location: Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire
Has thanked: 4 times
Been thanked: 2 times

Re: SS1 CVH Silicone hoses

Post by Marmaduke » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:47 pm

Hi Phil, if your doing a batch, count me in for a set too.


1985 SS1 - What the Cipher dreams of driving like...
1980 Cipher - What the SS1 dreams of looking like...

Post Reply

Return to “Parts Re-Manufacture Requests”