Potential SS1 Rebody?

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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by steve bryant » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:24 am

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scimjim wrote:How do 1001 kit car manufacturers produce identical replica bodies (often copies of cars that are still in production?)

Easy, illegally
i agree. carrol shelby took us to court over infrigements into copy rights. in the end it cost us 2million dollars AND we won the case but ended up saying leave us alone and we will pay a commission.
a story i know of was ferrari walked into a workshop making replica's, two days later they came back and cleaned out the shop and said take us to court.............if you can afford it 8) 8)
badges are a no no, shape [as in the cobra story] was decided by the courts



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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:42 am

There's a video (linked off Locostbuilders?) Of a replica MB Gullwing being dismantled and destroyed by MB themselves...


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:09 am

I wasn't trying to scupper the idea, far from it, but do the homework first or someone could end up looking a berk!

So.....
Where do I place my order, how much, what's delivery time, can I have in gel coat finish to avoid painting?

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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:15 am

I suspect they may come with a carbon fibre finish...and you wouldn't want to paint over that, surely?


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:17 am

I would, but them maybe I'm just old fashioned


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Potential SS1 Rebody?

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:18 am

Craig's a tart though... :wink:


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by Gemini Bob » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:19 am

You could feel the force for that one Phil :lol:


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:22 am

Nah - he won't deny it...


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:52 am

Phil

Don't call me Shirley...

Re carbon, can't see the point for a road going scim, a car park 'ding' would become an insurance job.

A racer on the other hand would be nice for weight, but maybe id have to temper my driving style ( Win, or go off trying :-D)


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:53 am

yep, im a tart, guilty as charged :-)


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:33 pm

Interesting opinions - this is just research atm - I will be talking to the relevant people over the next few weeks to ascertain who owns which rights.

Won't be carbon (or carbon effect) - stronger, lighter & fireproof, won't be this year, won't be any details available for a few months.

Interestingly, Lotus (like Shelby) LOST a case in SA against a 7 replica manufacturer as they didn't have a specific Licence for the mk3.

IMHO there's a big difference between making an MR2 look like a Ferrari - and making a late Bently look like an earlier model by replicating the earlier body? Likewise, making an early small sports look like a late model?

If I fitted the set of Sabre panels I have (from GW, who bought them from Reliant) to an SS1 tub - is it a replica?

I appreciate that if I sold a CAR that looked like a Sabre and had sabre/reliant badging, I would be breaking copyright laws.


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:26 pm

Keep up the good work Jim :-) could rejuvinate the small scim values and interest 8)

re your point about re-clothing an ss1 into a sabre, the issue there could be someone unscrupulously passing off an older car (potentially 10 years older...) as a newer model (some B plate ss1 becomes a later Mk2 sabre), may casue issues with DVLA and insurance ( B plate ss1 worth couple hundred quid whereas a shiny sabre-a-like would be worth more). Not sure where the bodykit/re-body and need for IVA line is.

re copyright, again wasnt trying to pi55 on anyones parade, but when myself and a couple of others had the idea of producing 'bodyshell' kits for SS1s, the rights was one of the things we thought of, along with the costs relative to the market ie scim owners are short armed but with long pockets :lol:


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by scimjim » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:37 pm

Luckily IVA/SVA is clearly defined and this example wouldn't require it.

Agree about the problems of passing off an SS1 as a Sabre - careful chassis number records (as per MG Heritage shells) could be one method? At the end of the day (a) you could do that anyway with GW panels and (b) no offence is committed until it's offered for sale.

It was a genuine question re copyright - Reliant Cars Limited still exists. Agree about the current owners, perhaps another group of more affluent collector needs to be encouraged on board (perhaps to subsidise the rest of us :D )?


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Re: Advice on buying a Sabre

Post by Crouchie_b » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:48 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:I wasn't trying to scupper the idea, far from it, but do the homework first or someone could end up looking a berk!

So.....
Where do I place my order, how much, what's delivery time, can I have in gel coat finish to avoid painting?

Chop chop Chaps :-)
Fin may get one in time for passing his test at the rate I'm going !-)


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Re: Potential SS1 Rebody?

Post by philhoward » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:23 pm

Unless someone is very clever with the filler, then you'd always have the join at the windscreen pillars, so making it look diffferent anyway? The tub is different (SS1 to SST/Sabre), so if this was to go ahead, then I assume it would only fit an SS1 tub anyway?! There is also the context of what might (or might not) have to be done around the front armature so I think it would be very tricky to try and pass one off as a genuine Sabre? I suspect the SS1 inner wings might have to remain anyway?


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