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German Scimitar rental in France

Post by DARK STAR » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:05 pm

Smart left-hand-drive car, looks familiar.
Offered for wedding hire in Paris ...

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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by Oldconn » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:19 am

How is that allowed to circulate in Paris? It hasn't got one of the famous "pastilles" on the windscreen, and I doubt it would qualify for one in any case.


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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:44 am

I thought there was an exemption for classics (over 30)?


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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by Oldconn » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:57 am

I need to check what the new regs actually say; there has been a wave of protest in recent weeks led by the historic vehicle clubs, because if you own a "classic" you can't buy a pastille, and the gendarmes have instructions to stop any vehicle which doesn't have one! Total chaos! I shall get in touch with our two Freds, who probably understand better than I do. :?
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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:11 pm

It's an EU exemption for 30 year old cars in low emission zones (Stuttgart, London, Paris, etc) - I think London is actually Historic VED class (currently 40 years old) not sure what will happen for us post Brexit? I think you still have to buy a ticket in many cities though?


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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by Oldconn » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:20 pm

I have been reading the text on the official French Govt website. There is no mention of an exemption , but it is clear that if you have a car which was first registered before 1996, and/or it has no European Norm on the registration document(which is the case for Reliants), then you simply cannot be issued with a sticker of any category(of which there are five). Clear as mud! However, the restrictions only apply Monday to Friday, so presumably Sat & Sun are OK. So if you want a Scimitar wedding car, get married on a Saturday or Sunday!


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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by DARK STAR » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:02 pm

Coincidence time.
Here are two similar lhd GTE's, in this very unusual colour combination, both photographed in 2011.
If you look closely it is two different cars.
The one with Woolfies is/was from Namur in Belgium.
The one with Dunlops is/was from Ludwigsburg in Germany (pictured at a meeting in Stuttgart).
Seemingly the hire car on Woolfies is the Ludwigsburg car ...
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Re: German Scimitar rental in France

Post by tanuki » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:15 pm

Oldconn wrote:I have been reading the text on the official French Govt website. There is no mention of an exemption , but it is clear that if you have a car which was first registered before 1996, and/or it has no European Norm on the registration document(which is the case for Reliants), then you simply cannot be issued with a sticker of any category(of which there are five). Clear as mud! However, the restrictions only apply Monday to Friday, so presumably Sat & Sun are OK. So if you want a Scimitar wedding car, get married on a Saturday or Sunday!
Hello Ian,
Sorry I just noticed the thread today :oops:

The ban of old vehicles started being discussed about a year ago ...
It first took effect on 1st of July 2016 when all vehicles older than 20 years - i.e all that had a first registration prior to 1996 - were banned from Paris center
on weekdays - Monday through Friday - from 08:00 am to 08:00 pm. The ban was only for the area inside the 'peripherique' ... you could still take the periph
to cross Paris or circulate in the suburbs. Weekends were not concerned fortunately. Nevertheless motor associations & classic car clubs tried to lobby and
we were hoping for an exemption for collect cars - at least those with a carte-grise collection - ... but it did not work.
For a few months police did not really enforce the new rule and most people who got stopped were simply reminded of the rule, but without a fine ... phew.
Anyway they quickly found out that it was not easy to tell if a car was 19 or 21 years old by just looking at it :roll: and it would take ages for policemen to stop
and check the carte grises of suspicious vehicles ... Moreover the rule was related to the age of a vehicle ... hence changing the threshold every year (!)
As of 1st of July 2017 it's all vehicles registered before 1997 that will be banned, and so on ...

So they came up at the end of 2016 with a brilliant idea: all cars should have a sticker - the so-called Crit'air - which would make the job easier to spot you :twisted:
The tags have been compulsory as of beginning of January and you can only get them for cars younger than 20 ...
I believe that the area of restriction - the inside of Paris - has not changed (yet) and that the timeframe - Mon-Fri 08:00-20:00 - remains the same.
But we can expect other suburbs around Paris to start applying the same rule in the near future ... and clearly other cities in France such as Lyon have already
put in place similar rules. Of course to add to the confusion each city may apply different time windows ... and some of them even decided to print their own
local stickers :shock:

I went to the website from where one must buy the sticker - it can only be purchased from this site at the moment and delivery can take up to 3 weeks :roll:
Now the funny thing is that the only parameters asked on the website are: the date of first registration, the type of fuel (diesel/essence) and the reg number
which will appear on the sticker of course ... It is not clear whether the registration is used for any other purpose than writing it on the sticker ... I doubt that
the actual pollution level of the car - as one would expect - is even taken into consideration :roll:
In my fleet I can only apply for three cars: my daughter's 2008 Daihatsu, my 2004 Lexus and the 2010 Caterham.
Guess what ? The Caterham will have a 'level 1' sticker ... which is the first category just after electric cars !! while the Lexus will have a 'level 3' :evil:

Now there is one thing absolutely not clear to me: how is this system going to evolve in time ? so far the sticker has no expiration date, therefore my Caterham
would still be considered as a 'clean' car in a few years time ?? Or will they just change the system again and replace all stickers and add a year to them ??
They may even just disappear in a couple of years !! The whole story was a pure political issue at the local scale - Paris - when it started and people who put
the sticker system in place did not seem to think on the global scale ... Why not simply check the actual pollution of a car at each MOT and give the sticker then
based upon the real pollution level - knowing that recent cars that are not well maintained actually have higher emission rates than older well serviced cars - ?

One thing for sure is that the MOT checks are going to become extremely tough as from next year ... I would not be surprised if the pollution parameters
would be used for ranking the cars (...)

Well, in any case that's a nice :w :w :w

Fred


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