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Post by tanuki » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:17 pm

Hello Guys :wink:
I need a bit of help here ... basically any feedback/comments/experience that you may have about the Anglia ...
I have ran into an ad today in our french magazine La Vie de l'Auto featuring a '61 Anglia for sale, which I find tempting :roll: :lol: :lol:
I know it's not reasonable, and it's a long way from Scimitars/TVR/Caterham ... but I quite like the idea of a small family iconic english car around :mrgreen:
Since I could not contact the owner yet - just left a message tonight - I have no particular details, other than the car is mot'd, LHD, french registered ...
and looks in reasonable condition according to the few pics below. Before I go an see it, I thought I should ask you some advice again :D

Am I crazy :oops: ? most certainly :lol:
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Post by erikscimitardemon » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:26 pm

No experience with Anglias at all. But I'd suggest check for rust, as it is a first generation monocoque and a sixties Ford :w
Mechanical it should be bulletproof.

This one looks really nice!


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Post by wes wilson » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:29 pm

ive had several since 1975 and found them to be a loverly little runaround not the most powerfull but easily servicable but there are a lot of joints in the steering and a little play in each can amount to a lot overall but a nice car underated in the classic scene im my opinion



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Post by peter freeman » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:51 pm

Probably in a lot better condition than ones in the UK due to the better weather over there - not the thickest of metal bodies and prone to our salt on the roads in the winter. Being of an age I can remember my dad looking at one when they first came out - the back window was the most talked about part being angled like it is. The interior looks great and if the body is also good then anything else can be fixed.



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Post by Roger Pennington » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:10 pm

My late mother used to run Anglias, so as a result it was the car I learned to drive on, and until I could afford a car of my own it was the car I often borrowed, ( :roll: ) so much of my early driving was done in them. She had both 997 and 1200 ("Super") varieties, and while it's not what you would call a high performance car, the engines are willing and eager, and the controls generally are light and well-balanced. The reverse-slope rear window means that (unlike the GTE) it hardly ever gets dirty, and it also means there's good rear headroom.

I'd agree with Erik, that you do need to check for rust (it's probably no worse than other mass market saloons of that era, but that's not saying a lot!) - basically check as much of the floorpan as you can - the rear spring mounting points, the "chassis" member pressings, the sills, and the front inner wings especially near the Mcpherson strut mounts. On the outside, round the headlights, the rear of the front wings, and the bottoms of most panels, like the doors and rear wings, are prone to rot, so be on the lookout for filler.

All that said, a good one is a very appealing little car :D


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Post by Scimher » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:28 pm

....The interior looks lovely - I had one briefly (bought it off a lad I knew at the local bank..) I knew it wouldn't pass another MOT but I wanted the period radio out of it for the MGA that my brother & I were getting on the road. I handed over the princely sum of £40 for it! There was hardly enough MOT to drive it on the road but I remember liking the gearshift. It was certainly full of filler.....
The 'Harry Potter' effect has helped to push up prices, Fred......



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Post by GeoffTE » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:01 pm

Chaps used to race much modified Anglias in the 60s. In fact the chap from whom I bought my first Elan ('65 S2 the same as I have now) in early 1968 had a full race Anglia in the garage. Flared arches, wide wheels, twin cam (I think). Very very quick and successful on the race circuits of the day. Sorry to digress slightly :wink:


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Post by MarkHawkins » Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:22 pm

I remember a tuned '67 Anglia at Hatfield Poly in 1987 owned by an engineering student - he'd put a 1700 cross flow in it with a state of tune that made an Escort Harrier look very tame. 2nd gear burnouts between the sleeping policemen were the order of the day!


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Post by tanuki » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:34 am

Thanks guys for all the swift replies :wink:
I am about to go and look at the car today ... will come back with more info + pics :D
Thanks again !!
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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:52 am

That looks very smart, especially in black (non-standard colour).
To be really picky, the radiator grille and bumper are bent and the badge is missing, has it had a front-end shunt?
Also the windscreen wipers are not left hand drive, but I'm not sure if that is normal.
I'd buy it, but then I buy GTC's that are falling to bits ...


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Post by BigJohn » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:54 pm

Apart from Rust Rust and More rust as already said they were a nice simple Car, check around the heater box on the Bulkhead for rust as they paralytically fell apart there, oh and the rear spring hangers and the strut tops and ....................................................................................................................as already said. I shoehorned a V4 2000 into an Anglia Van once, with the gearbox, in my stupid youth, toured all over in it, great fun.


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Post by Oldconn » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:56 pm

Passed my test in one of those in 1963! They were popular with driving schools because they were idiot-proof :mrgreen: Everybody seems to have mentioned the rust points to look for ; I don't think there was ever a lead-free conversion , so that could be a negative point on today's petrol. Lovely little engine, but not as tolerant to lead-free fuel as the Essex, for example.


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Post by tanuki » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:32 pm

Sorry for the late report ... I have been driving up to the belgian border yesterday (400 miles round trip) to have a look.

As you all warned me, rust was expected ... and rust was found of course, just hard to figure out how bad it is since I could not check
the underneath thoroughly :? The obvious spots were below the wheel arches, the steel wheels, bottom of the rear bumper (nothing
worse though than on Purple), a couple of superficial spots on a wing and below the boot ... the only real bad one was a hole in the
driver's door (due to water ingressing the door and staying inside :cry: ). Painting is assumed to be the original one and shows a
few cracks on the front wings and behind the doors, but otherwise just a normal 'patine' (mat) expected from a 54-year old paint.
If it were not for that ugly hole in the driver's door ... I would not mind driving it with this paint :wink:
there are a couple of bumps on the roof (one of the owners kept it in his barn and sometimes piled up stuff on top :evil: ) but
only noticeable when searching for them.

The interior is a mix of: superb seats, good condition ceiling (all in place, no marks, stains or damaged fabric ... simply the color
must have become a little yellowish over the years ... but uniformously) and poor carpets unfortunately, these would do with
replacements (see pics). Water obviously coming in from the windscreen ('dry' seals :cry: ) as I could find out thanks to the rain !
The dashboard is good, all things working - even the wipers run faster than on the Scimi -

The engine bay shows an engine in 'original state' but with several fixes around it (new water pump, new radiator, etc.) which
have been done 7 years ago when the owner brought the car up North. The engine runs smoothly, superb idle speed and pretty
good sound for a 997cc. I drove the car for about 5/6 km - all by myself - around the village and countryside ... and I was
baffled ... the gearbox is brilliant - I did not have any hesitation ... smooth gear changes 8) - and the engine is willing to go :wink:
Brakes are working OK ... just as they did 54 years ago ... so better keep one's distances in mind, but otherwise no issue on this side.
Ian, this one was not 100% idiot-proof since I could not find the wipers in the first place :lol: :lol:

The car was originally sold in Bordeaux - 1st owner unknown - then sold to an old lady from Albi in '64 who kept it until ~ '81
It was then bought by a lumberjack who almost did not use it and kept it dry-stored in his barn - still in Albi - The current owner
bought it in 2008 and did all the reparations required to make it roadworthy, and has driven ~ 20,000 km since then.
Apart from the reparations around the engine, brakes, etc. - I am waiting for copies of the invoices - and replacing the front seats
it is basically an original Anglia that's never been restored and as such is 'in its juice' :shock:

Now for the dilemna ...

I am obviously worried about corrosion issues and will try to have a second look possibly with the assistance of my english
friend, and preferably on a ramp (!) I know that there is corrosion mentionned about the chassis on the last MOT report
but it's mentionned as a minor point - which does not require to be fixed - ... normally any bad 'perforating' corrosion is
recorded as a major point on reports, so it maybe just superficial
Btw I have exactly the same mention on the Flying Sub's MOT, although the guy confirmed that her chassis is very good ...
but he needs to mention even minor corrosion.
Due to the fact that the car was living in the South of France, I am confident that it did not suffer too much from salt
and heavy humidity as we have up North ... but again it has spent many years in a barn :|

On the other hand the car drives lovely and is great fun, and the guy asks 3000 euros (~ £2,200) which is pretty good
compared to other Anglias currently for sale (one at 7,000 and another one at 10,000 euros in France ... and most
english ones around £5,000) ... Price is negotiable, so I could probably get it for £2,000

If I get it I shall take care first of the visible corrosion issue - hole, couple of spots & wheels - as well as the
windscreen seal ... and remove the carpets :lol:

What do you think ? :mrgreen:
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Post by Scimher » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:05 pm

...Lovely Fred - & a very good price....LHD examples must be rare. 20,000km. in 7years means that the car is very useable &, no doubt, reliable. Should even prove to be a good investment. Getting a carpet set should be no problem....It looks a really nice genuine old car that don't seem to come on the market, these days, very often at a realistic price....



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Post by erikscimitardemon » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:15 pm

Seems value for money.


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