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Post by DARK STAR » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:26 pm

Spoiler repairs finished while awaiting the post.
Not concours but quite passable.
Filled, sanded, guide coat, filled, sanded, guide coat, filled, sanded, top coat ...
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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:30 am

Trying to remove the old ignition module, looks as though I will need to remove first the wheel and inner wing :roll:
But I discovered something which may be important - though it won't unscrew 8) the bolt holding the earth connection is not tight and there is a 70k resistance between the earth and the casing of the module.
Is the casing supposed to be earthed, and could this be why it is behaving strangely?


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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:41 am

Never had any problems with the earthing on any of mine, and I have messed with quite a lot of 2.8 cars.
Even when fault finding I have just plugged the connectors in and sat the new module in the engine bay.
There is no evidence of any internal wires touching the alloy casing, I think they like that as protection, shielding and heat sink for the solid state internal components.

As you have found out too Chris, after 30 odd years the fasteners will probably need cutting off, or carefully drill out the screw heads from above, can`t be a bad thing to replace them anyway.

Incidentally Parcelforce have told me the package is in your grubby hands now ?.


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:52 am

Yes thanks Mark, arrived just now.
If I manage to detach the old one I may try it this afternoon.
But I still wonder if just earthing the old one correctly might make a difference ...


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Post by derekoss » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:21 pm

In mine (chassis 428 so quite late) I levered the module up and out. As in gently ! The plastic plugs came with the screws. They were then easy to remove and replace in the body. New stainless screws of course.

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Post by AJL Electronics » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:26 pm

The earthing is purely RFI screening. Should not affect performance.


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:34 pm

After spending some time getting access I removed the old ignition module.
Don't know how I could work without an angle grinder 8)

Fitted the new one, unfortunately couldn't find stainless screws with the same strange thread (UNC?)
All connected exactly according to the book.
Also installed the condenser and the indicator lens which Mark kindly sent at the same time.

Road test time, the car started and ran perfectly - but on checking after only two laps (6 km) the coil was very hot :bh

What else is there to change?
The distributor worked ok on the old engine, could the garage have damaged it?
I have a spare distributor cap somewhere I think, I could try that.
Otherwise what ... ?


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Post by philhoward » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:34 pm

The coil might be "hot to touch" but that could only be 50 degrees which isn't "too hot".

Does it actually misbehave now?


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:21 am

Up to 4 laps (13 km) it is perfect but I can't keep driving round in circles and I daren't go any further to check!
The only comparison I have is the 12v coil which also gets very hot on Vert Soleil but barely warm on Dark Star.


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:30 pm

Could a 2,8 owner please go for a short drive and feel his coil :W

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Post by Peter S » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:52 pm

Probably not a lot of help but just read your post and have been for a short drive but stopped 1.5 hours ago. Now coil still warm as is the wiper motor - not used today - due to heat soak?. The coil is close to the rear of the engine so must get some heat from there. The coil is currently cooler than the alternator, the metal air filter cover (I have a Weber carb) and the rocker covers.


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Post by gtcse8 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:10 pm

Chris get the brake reservoir topped up


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:23 pm

Thanks Peter, the relative temperatures could be useful.
I checked just after stopping and the coil was very hot - but less so than the rocker covers ...

Mark, don't start me on the brakes :mrgreen:
In view of the colour - and the feebleness of the brakes - I think I should really change the fluid.
But perhapsI'll just top it up for now ...


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Post by DARK STAR » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:59 pm

I used the car today, about 15 km mostly in heavy traffic and no noticeable problem.
Coil very hot.
The non-operative auto choke is a bit irritating.
Isn't it supposed to be adjusted by the round thingie under the carb on the right?
Because turning that doesn't make any difference at all.
The mechanism itself works, if you close the choke butterflies by hand the revs rise.
So is the sensor faulty? What voltage should it pass when cold/hot?
Or could it be the round thingie itself?
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Post by Roger Pennington » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:31 pm

philhoward wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:34 pm
The coil might be "hot to touch" but that could only be 50 degrees which isn't "too hot".
FWIW, a little earlier I got back in the Yellow Peril, from a classic car show - it was a 30-ish mile run, a mix of fast dual-carriageway trunk roads with single carriageway main and "B" roads and some queueing. The car is an Se6a, with non-ballast coil, and no ballast resistor. While not absolutely the same as yours, I'd guess that the operating conditions for coils are fairly standard in most applications? Anyway, I measured the temperature of the coil with my infra-red thermometer. The shiny aluminium body measured 52 - 53 deg C but as shiny silver surfaces aren't the best for radiant heat measurement, I also measured the green Lucas label, and that measured 58 - 59 deg C. So Phil's number looks pretty accurate :)

Subjectively, I'd say it felt pretty hot - I probably wouldn't pick it up! :lol:

If you could arrange to get some measurements, it would give more certainty, and remove the subjective element?


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