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Post by DARK STAR » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:35 am

As I said Phil, it took me three years to notice :lol:
I think the dirt is too engrained for a light wipe with glass cleaner, but the paint brush is a good idea.


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:57 pm

Last-minute preparations for the Scimitar Sortie, I greased, topped-up and even washed the car.
The parts for the choke still haven't arrived (not Mark's fault!)
The throttle doesn't advance which is not a huge problem but at the same time the butterflies stay shut even when warm
so I had the bright idea of holding the butterflies open to
a/ stop the engine coking up
b/ improve the fuel consumption which was about 5 mpg

Is this a good idea or am I being silly again?


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Post by scimjim » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:00 pm

Yep - just lock them open. Starting from cold might need a bit extra fuel and high tickover for a minute but my sprint car has the chokes wired open (it deliberately runs on the rich side anyway).


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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:23 am

Thanks Jim, I'll give it a go then.


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Post by gtcse8 » Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:18 am

Chris
Although I`m not anywhere near my car, I`m sure you can just Advance the electric choke by loosening the screws round the plastic housing and twist the unit as far as it can go, open the throttle at the cable and if you have gone the right way the chokes should open.

Will try get to my emporium today to check and possibly get some pic`s.

Has creativesuecrafty posted out the new unit?, or is it in the system.

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Post by DARK STAR » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:50 pm

You are right Mark, but the round bi-metallic thingie doesn't work so you can't turn it far enough.
Anyway, I installed some high precision tie wraps to hold the butterflies open and I have just returned home with absolutely no problem after 540 km of Scimitar Sortie.
Still can't believe it ...

The new unit is marked on eBay as sent 19 september, it should arrive before Christmas.


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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:55 pm

The new choke thingie arrived today and I had a quick look at the job.
Of course I couldn't remember how it was wired up before I modified it to make the faulty choke work 8)
So I traced the wiring, one positive feed (blue/red) live from the ignition and the other (blue/green) from the temperature sender on the engine.
Plus blue/white which is the feed to the temp sender, connected to the blue/red at the plug.

This is a two-pin plug which goes into the socket on the choke, one pin feeds the centre heating element and the other the outer one.
BUT these researches revealed another puzzle - you can plug the thing in either way round :roll:
The photo shows how the garage near Lyon connected it up, but if this was wrong it could explain why the sodding thing didn't work in the first place.

So can any kind person with a Pierburg please have a look at their plug and tell me which colour(s) are the wire(s) going into the socket nearest/furthest from the carb.
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Post by DARK STAR » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:18 pm

Ok, so nobody following this thread has a Pierburg ...
I'll start a separate enquiry, there must be someone out there ...


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Post by scimjim » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:20 pm

It’s possible that no-one has a Pierburg left on a Scimitar :D


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Post by philipmasonfrance » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:35 am

Told you, Chris. Bin it and stick on a manual choke Weber! But then, you never do go with the flow .... !



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Post by efi_sprintgte » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:59 am

Some mention of the wiring colours here:

https://www.scimitarweb.co.uk/sgwrs/vie ... hp?t=31675


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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Oct 05, 2018 12:21 pm

The carb works well since I overhauled it, Phil ;-)

I just want to know which way round to plug in the ridiculous electric choke.
I have analysed the mechanism and the wiring (colours nothing like in the link) and understand how it works.
But I (and I think everyone) cannot understand why there are two heating elements, one fed from ignition live and the other from the temp sensor.
And if they are connected in the wrong order they probably won't work correctly ...

Incidentally, if you take a feed from the alternator permanent live the choke will flatten your battery very quickly.


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Post by Peter S » Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:12 pm

Dave Peek still has one fitted but IIRC he converted to a manual choke


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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:11 pm

Sorry Chris but I just got a lot on at moment, am at my Emporium Sat Dinnertime so will check on my cars for you.

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It’s possible that no-one has a Pierburg left on a Scimitar
Jim my 6b still has it`s original fitted and runs perfectly. :shock:
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Post by DARK STAR » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:47 pm

Things do just pack up :roll:
I adjusted the handbrake, cable pulls correctly but the brake doesn't work.
Photos might give a clue ...

Anyone want to sell me some rear brake liners before I contact Nigel?
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