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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by swoakes » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:22 am

scimjim wrote:Read post # 7 in this thread: http://retrorides.proboards.com/thread/94111
But that post dates back to 2010 Jim so is it still relevant :?: ; the link to the VOSA leaflet I posted above was released in July 2013 and no mention of trailer GW :?


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:19 am

swoakes wrote:
scimjim wrote:I'm very surprised they haven't changed the regulation then?
Which regulation is that Jim; can you please post a link cos I can't find one anywhere :?
(From: https://www.gov.uk/old-driving-licence-categories)

B entitlement: Vehicles up to 3,500kg Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) carrying no more than 8 passengers plus driver with trailer up to 750kg; trailer over 750kg if combined vehicle and trailer weight isn’t more than 3,500kg MAM

With definition of Max Authorised Mass (not actual mass but the plated max) here: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-weights-explained


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by swoakes » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:03 am

Right so what's happening here is that we are mixing up a drivers ability to tow a vehicle & trailer i.e. their licence with what the actual towing vehicle can legally tow behind it regarding weight :roll:

Ignoring driving licence requirements from what I can find you can legally tow up to 100% of the vehicle manufacturers towing capacity figure. The 80-85% rule seems to be an advisory figure used by the likes of the caravan club etc and is more about the towing experience than the towing vehicles ability to do the job. Its a rule that's been about for a long time and it may well be outdated given how engine technology has moved on over the years.


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:11 am

Correct - because DVLA and VOSA are two seperate organisations :-)

The 85% guide is just as valid now as ever IMO.


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by swoakes » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:38 am

scimjim wrote:The 85% guide is just as valid now as ever IMO.
When I was deliberating on a temporary tow car I searched the towing forums and cars with a relatively low kerb weight appeared to be good tow cars if they had the correct engine.

Having only towed the Sabre and trailer with Josh's GTE and my old Rangie I am certainly not experienced enough to make a judgement but I am now happy that I have the correct driving licence and that my new tow car when it finally arrives can legally do the job :)


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:06 pm

Although the E category was slated when introduced, I firmly believe it's one of the best things they've ever done. Far too many accidents and deaths caused over the years by people who have hitched a badly loaded caravan up to the overloaded family car with no nose weight and wondered why they're suddenly upside down on the A303 at 70mph on a Friday afternoon!!


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by tony.idle » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:10 pm

The 85% 'rule' is to do with stability & the towing vehicle's ability to control the trailer. At 85% & with a decent noseweight it's pretty much possible to guarantee stability: above 85% & it is more down to the type of tow car & the drivers ability and experience. Excluding other considerations most stable are cars with the rear wheels close to the tow ball. Absolutely essential is noseweight at or above 7% of the laden trailer weight: if you can just about lift the hitch onto the ball the noseweight is probably OK.


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by swoakes » Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:16 pm

Yes I think newer cars have a specified nose weight; in the case of the Octavia its 75kg across the range so like you say that should be possible to lift onto the hitch


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Re: Non scim towing weights etc..

Post by tony.idle » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:05 pm

swoakes wrote:Yes I think newer cars have a specified nose weight; in the case of the Octavia its 75kg across the range so like you say that should be possible to lift onto the hitch
Newer cars specify a maximum noseweight - usually only important if it's less than the trailer needs to be stable and another reason to be careful when checking to see if a car is a capable tug.


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