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Post by stevey » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:26 pm

Roger Pennington just to clear I can use the lower brackets just swop them side to side to cure misalignment after fitting manual trunnions?



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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:27 pm

Given that we are looking at the right hand (offside) of a manual-steered Se6a, this is what I would have expected to see in that position:

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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:32 pm

stevey wrote:
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Roger Pennington just to clear I can use the lower brackets just swop them side to side to cure misalignment after fitting manual trunnions?
If your lower brackets are the correct offset ones as in the photo above, then yes, they can just be swapped around (side to side), so that the offset is in the opposite direction. (perhaps a close-up photo of your brackets might help?)


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Post by stevey » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:32 pm

Another thought, I was assured the set up was from an SE6 to match my chassis but your posts have me suspicious, for a rank newbie(who is learning quickly here) what visual difference to the upper and lower Arms is there between SE5 and SE6? Thanks in advance.



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Post by scimjim » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:50 pm

The top wishbones are reversed for PAS. A non PAS SE6 would visually look the same as the 5 apart from the offset lower brackets.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:59 pm

And of course, if you bought it all as a "job lot", if the rack is the correct length, then that at least, must be a 6-series one :)


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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:11 pm

just to throw it out there. I have recently assisted changing the front bushes on a one family early manual steering se6, it was fitted with lower chassis's mounts with the two studs (which fit through the chassis) in a central position as per 5a.......... it was just rebuilt as was and is working fine.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:23 pm

Geraint SabreGTCse5 wrote:
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just to throw it out there. I have recently assisted changing the front bushes on a one family early manual steering se6, it was fitted with lower chassis's mounts with the two studs (which fit through the chassis) in a central position as per 5a.......... it was just rebuilt as was and is working fine.
I guess it's not impossible that odd things might happen around a model transition, with an early Se6, (it's been known elsewhere), however in this case, the car is a '79 Se6a. It's still not clear whether the brackets have been changed or are "as before", but before, it was PAS?


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Post by stevey » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm

Roger, do you have a picture of an SE5 set up as I understand it i need to copy that, I have ordered manual trunnions and will start again next week. Thanks to you all for your invaluable assistance and guidance and yes the rack is SE6, that much I do know! I think :shock:



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Post by efi_sprintgte » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:18 pm

I seem to recall the lower pan having the damper mount in a different place on the PAS cars?


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Post by ScimmyMike » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:55 pm

efi_sprintgte wrote:
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I seem to recall the lower pan having the damper mount in a different place on the PAS cars?
I recall posting something showing that the spacer washers between wishbone and damper bracket weren't fitted to the non PAS cars
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Post by scimjim » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:33 pm

I presume that you already have the non-PAS steering column and rack mounting brackets fitted?


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Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:20 am

stevey wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:05 pm
Roger, do you have a picture of an SE5 set up as I understand it i need to copy that, I have ordered manual trunnions and will start again next week. Thanks to you all for your invaluable assistance and guidance and yes the rack is SE6, that much I do know! I think :shock:
I'd say what you really need to copy is a manual Se6a setup, as that's *exactly* what you're aiming to achieve in every respect, rather than just some of them. There are a few differences with a 5/5a setup, which might confuse the issue. From a photographic point of view, both mine are PAS I'm afraid.



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Post by stevey » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:26 am

I am back to the workshop to disassemble the O/S pending the correct trunnions and I will then start to implement the advice here. As Roger has mentioned has anyone got a copy of the manual SE6 set up as the picture in the manual is about as clear as a chocolate teapot.



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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:48 am

what lower shock mounts are fitted? the ones i have shown in the photograph are from a 6a, you make mention of using se5 suspension the lower mount on these are not off set they are in a central position which will alter the shock angle.

lower wish bone mounts are handed if you are going to replace the ones shown in your photo. Look for the ones in my photo the lower stud is reinforced
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